I've seen well known YouTube Partners/vloggers in a restaurant or other public places while copyrighted music plays in the background over the speakers. I've also seen them letting their viewers listen to music that was playing on the radio. Yet their videos are not taken down.
If I am in public and there is a band playing in the background or music playing over speakers that I cannot control, can I upload the video?
What if I am in a room and the TV or radio is on in the background but I am not intentionally recording the TV or radio. Or if I'm in public and a band can be heard playing in the background but I was recording something else. Is it against copyright to upload the video?
I've seen well known Partners/Vloggers do this and they haven't been suspended. I've seen them intentionally point their cameras at the TV for a few seconds to show us what was on TV.
No matter what YouTube does, they will always abuse the copyright system because they have MONEY. They're always nice to the people who have MONEY. It is so illegal, its not even funny.
I am not impressed by the new copyright school. The fair use section is abysmal at best. The Happy Tree Friends video ignores issues like censorship and free speech while merely trying to repeat a message that a small number of content owners are pushing. We are all content creators and the vast majority of users engage in reuse and remix that the new curriculum strongly discourages.
Youtube is built on remix culture and memes not some mythical unicorn like original content.
I hope that this type of misrepresentation of copyright and fair use does not become a copied best practice in the industry.
The intent is good people need to learn about copyright, it is the approach that is a failure.
This is good news; I had a video up from 2006 that only got claimed about a WEEK ago - that's well over 4.5 years!
I believe that a certain amount of time should pass and then either a video should either be made unclaimable, the infringement must be able to cause ACTUAL DAMAGES in order to claim (five-second clips of anything no, full studio versions of musical works yes), or advance warning should be given before a claim takes effect, following from what implied consent and/or the statute of limitations mean.
It is the company's responsibility as a copyright owner to keep up with where their content is going, and if they are not paying attention, it's their problem. Most infringement that causes actual damages DOES have an upside anyway - purely damaging infringement is very rare.
@ N/A basically it is up to the copyright owner to act and take action against a video. YouTube in itself does not take a video down if they think it is copyrighted. According to the DMCA law they simply have to act if someone files a claim against their video. In the cases you cited above, yes those can be copyright infringement but it is up to the owner of those songs or tv shows to file a DMCA claim against them.
My account was terminated on Monday of this week because of this very situation. I had two videos deleted from a DIFFERENT account back in 2006, and those (plus the one that got removed from my current/most recent account, mecchagyaru) were what caused my account to be deleted.
Can I still participate in this? I never earned any money from my videos, and I never planned on it. I only covered songs, hoping to improve and build up towards a singing career in Japan. I'm even signed with an agency.
I understand what I did wrong, but I don't think it's right for this to be a possibility NOW right after I had to lose my account, my 300 videos, my subscribers, all my views... And I don't think it was right for something I, as a stupid 13-year-old, did on a completely separate account that I haven't logged into for lord knows how long, to cause me to lose all of that.
I'm posting this here because I don't know who to contact to ask this otherwise.
Wish I could delete the 1mins videos I uploaded in the past which have been flagged as copyrighted (perhaps this so called fair use is bullshit), but hey, I can't. At least make it retroactive, I have quite a lot of personal videos on my channel and only 4-5 perhaps "copyrighted" videos I uploaded in the past, I think it is pretty unfair.
Yes, because the copyright owner is losing money because his/her FREE video is being reuploaded to another channel. That perfectly makes sense. And making a video telling people to stop is going to make them stop.
OK I've had 2 copyright violations and am ready to start Copyright School in the hopes that YouTube will remove them. Can I start School now or do I wait until YouTube notifies me? I don't think the blog or the Copyright Help Center showed current violators where or when to start.
Thanks a lot YouTube for making it even more unbearable when some hater false DMCAs us. Instead the way you sh9ould have done this is require people to watch this cartoon if they are caught filing a false DMCA on other youtubers. For a while we your users who made you who you are, have been treated like crap by you. This just makes it worse. This is why other video sharing sites are picking up your loss of users. You wanna fix that? Stop using this guilty until proven innocent mantra on us all.
"powerful tools for copyright owners" - Really? "Powerful"? Far from it. A *powerful* tool would be much stronger against fraudulent DMCA claims in the first place.
As it is pretty much every sad troll can get your videos taken down by filing a false DMCA under a made-up name - youtube doesn't even do the most basic checks to see whether a "company" filing a DMCA even exists.
Granted: You then can file a counternotice, but that then involves your private information sent to a possible stalker.
How comes that people who have sent out a whole bunch of false DMCAs that *all* got countered and who have a long history of false flagging and otherwise harassing people before that apparently can do so without any repercussions? Why are their channels still up? Why is there no "three strikes" rule for DMCA abusers?
Is the reason, perhaps, that youtube once more just cares about it's own ass and wants to keep it's hands clean with minimum effort even though that means that - because of their lazyness - DMCA abusers seem to have almost free range?
I love it how YouTube Copyright School discourages users from even researching what the fair use exceptions are. Luckily there are many fair use tutorials already up there: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=fair%20use
This is terrible. I was kinda wanting the Copyright laws would have gotten better (By decreasing) but instead, its completely the other way.
No, I do not blame the people who infringe, I sort of blame the ones who just cant control themselves and then make a bunch of demand laws added to this Copyright I think.
Copyright not only tries to limit creativity, but its more like dictatorship.
Oh please go to hell with all these, YT - or rather, whoever's behind it. The internet is a global medium, I refuse to be controlled by such measures until I'm discriminated against with "not available in your area" and all that tosh, just because I do not live in the holier-than-thou mighty USSA. >_<
If this video was intended to provide end users with a basic understanding of what copyright is for and how it works then this video should be viewed as a failure. If the goal of this video was to start a meaningful conversation with end users about the do’s and don’ts of posting material on you tube YouTube then I think this also fails. If Google wants to be serious about clearly communicating with users about copyright issues, they should not trivialize the issues by portraying copyright holders as the not-so-bright character Lumpy and YouTube users as assumed pirates. In the end, respect for copyright and other intellectual property has everything to do with how people perceive these issues and understand them. That is why end users deserve a more serious attempt to improve the general level of understanding and respect for intellectual property.
Read my full breakdown at my blog at fiveby dot com slash blog.
"If Google wants to be serious about clearly communicating with users about copyright issues, they should..."
... hmmm, I dunno - actually COMMUNICATE WITH US?
Would it be too much to ask, just to pick one of countless examples, when they take down a video because of "inappropriate content" to
- send you a notice about this - in that notice tell you WHAT is supposed to be "inappropriate"
???
I mean: There's actually people here who would like their videos to stay online and who - if they knew what caused a video to get taken down - then could avoid making the same mistake again.
Kruge, I think you're right. The point I'm making, made more fully on my blog if you care to read it, is that the video is actually counterproductive and actually discourages respect for copyright which in turn makes expecting users to understand or comply with what they are required to do that much harder.
It does sound like the tools and specific communications should be better.
This is great! I had a strike on my account from a year ago when I started my channel, and haven't used copyrighted material since. I did the copyright school, when will my strike me removed?
If you could add a link to the ending of the terst that allows us to request a removal of a strike, that would be helpful, i completed the test, and have a strike on my account from 2007 before any of us really understood copyright laws and how they applied to the web.
Does YouTube really think that this will reduce the amount of copyright infringement on their site?
And although YouTube thinks that this will educate people about copyright, what it really does is show how little the owners of YouTube know about copyright.
In the video, it says that "copyright is a form of protection for creative works". This is, in fact, a complete, upside-down misunderstanding of copyright law.
Copyright law is not supposed to "protect" content. That's not it's purpose. What copyright law is supposed to do is promote art and science by giving copyright owners limited rights to their creations for a limited period of time.
To describe copyright law as "protection" is wrong. Copyright infringement does not, in any case, "harm" content.
Here is a very good article that explains the true purpose of copyright law:
I believe somebody pretended to be the American Broadcasting Corporation to make a DMCA claim on my video. I'd love to be sued by them, anywhere, anytime. However I've since deleted the video where I quoted what their programme and I only now have the video ID, how do I get rid of this fictitious DMCA claim when I no longer have the video?
I know the blog said this would start immediately, but it seems it hasn't started yet. Any news on whether this will still begin to happen sometime or has it been shelved?
I used YOUTUBES own video editor again today, for the second time, because I wanted to give it a second chance. They claim the Legitimacy of their tool, but as soon as you use it's features, YouTube accuses the user of possible copyright infringement. And All I did was use their tool. I think YOUTUBE needs to go back and restudy copyright law, that it claims to know so much of, and stop lying to it's user's about the validity of it editor. YOUTUBE is lying to it's users, and I would be more than joyous to watch them get overwhelmed with a lawsuit, if it meant the firing of it's current developers to bring in individuals who are apt in their field. Stop telling the users about copyright laws, and then set them up for possible violations through your editor! I am so fed up! Copyright school- don't make me laugh. Have you people hired the muppets as lawyers? Stop lying to your users, and have some sense of self decency about that editor. I would more than love to debate any staff of YOUTUBE on this subject... before telling other to go to copyright school, go their first yourselves, maybe you'll learn something- then again, with the muppets running your act, who knows what you'd walk away with. This is the second time one of my videos has been labeled. YOUTUBE is not the only medium one can use to bring your hypocrisy to light!!! And get lost with those stupid posts below as YOUTUBE will still continue to lie and railroad their users into areas of the law they don't wan't to be. For the 1st time I am actively considering using a competitor.
Of course, the bringing to light of youtube's lies regarding it's editor has to be "approved". Save yourself the time because we don't want to start playing that game, do we?
I'm about to upload a video on youtube i uploaded on facebook but it said it has copyrighted stuff i mean i got the song from this website called download.nl and i made the animated picture myself from blingee how in the world is that darn copyrighted ?????i don't want to attend a school thats unfair even though i haven't uploaded it yet i see tons of other people doing that and recording the song tell me if i should or not or i might just upload it on my blog.
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anyone have a creativity make a video to "SCHOOL AGAIN THE YOUTUBE"? or "YOUTUBE GOING TO SCHOOL AGAIN". youtube need a preschool again.. right now i hate youtube.. i'll go with the competitor.. i think the youtube team good crazy or not enough staff to filter the video?
why must 1st warning -> sanction?
why not 1st warning -> just a notice (come with list of 'copyright warning'. 2nd warning -> warning (with red bg) 3rd warning -> the sanction
ok the easier question. can i re-upload the Copyright School video in my channel? or in other account?
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I've seen well known YouTube Partners/vloggers in a restaurant or other public places while copyrighted music plays in the background over the speakers. I've also seen them letting their viewers listen to music that was playing on the radio. Yet their videos are not taken down.
ReplyDeleteIf I am in public and there is a band playing in the background or music playing over speakers that I cannot control, can I upload the video?
I have questions about some grey areas.
ReplyDeleteWhat if I am in a room and the TV or radio is on in the background but I am not intentionally recording the TV or radio. Or if I'm in public and a band can be heard playing in the background but I was recording something else. Is it against copyright to upload the video?
I've seen well known Partners/Vloggers do this and they haven't been suspended. I've seen them intentionally point their cameras at the TV for a few seconds to show us what was on TV.
You should school yourself before 'schooling' us on Intelectual Property Rights and Copyright issues. And you could start here:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI5AyeFK5Bo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3AuTrCq5ws
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRqsdSARrgk
Please - don't break my trust in you. Don't become 'Thought Police'. What you are doing is the first step towards that.
No matter what YouTube does, they will always abuse the copyright system because they have MONEY. They're always nice to the people who have MONEY. It is so illegal, its not even funny.
ReplyDeleteI am not impressed by the new copyright school. The fair use section is abysmal at best. The Happy Tree Friends video ignores issues like censorship and free speech while merely trying to repeat a message that a small number of content owners are pushing. We are all content creators and the vast majority of users engage in reuse and remix that the new curriculum strongly discourages.
ReplyDeleteYoutube is built on remix culture and memes not some mythical unicorn like original content.
I hope that this type of misrepresentation of copyright and fair use does not become a copied best practice in the industry.
The intent is good people need to learn about copyright, it is the approach that is a failure.
This is good news; I had a video up from 2006 that only got claimed about a WEEK ago - that's well over 4.5 years!
ReplyDeleteI believe that a certain amount of time should pass and then either a video should either be made unclaimable, the infringement must be able to cause ACTUAL DAMAGES in order to claim (five-second clips of anything no, full studio versions of musical works yes), or advance warning should be given before a claim takes effect, following from what implied consent and/or the statute of limitations mean.
It is the company's responsibility as a copyright owner to keep up with where their content is going, and if they are not paying attention, it's their problem. Most infringement that causes actual damages DOES have an upside anyway - purely damaging infringement is very rare.
@ N/A basically it is up to the copyright owner to act and take action against a video. YouTube in itself does not take a video down if they think it is copyrighted. According to the DMCA law they simply have to act if someone files a claim against their video. In the cases you cited above, yes those can be copyright infringement but it is up to the owner of those songs or tv shows to file a DMCA claim against them.
ReplyDeleteHello,
ReplyDeleteMy account was terminated on Monday of this week because of this very situation. I had two videos deleted from a DIFFERENT account back in 2006, and those (plus the one that got removed from my current/most recent account, mecchagyaru) were what caused my account to be deleted.
Can I still participate in this? I never earned any money from my videos, and I never planned on it. I only covered songs, hoping to improve and build up towards a singing career in Japan. I'm even signed with an agency.
I understand what I did wrong, but I don't think it's right for this to be a possibility NOW right after I had to lose my account, my 300 videos, my subscribers, all my views... And I don't think it was right for something I, as a stupid 13-year-old, did on a completely separate account that I haven't logged into for lord knows how long, to cause me to lose all of that.
I'm posting this here because I don't know who to contact to ask this otherwise.
Thanks,
Katie
Username: mecchagyaru
Wish I could delete the 1mins videos I uploaded in the past which have been flagged as copyrighted (perhaps this so called fair use is bullshit), but hey, I can't. At least make it retroactive, I have quite a lot of personal videos on my channel and only 4-5 perhaps "copyrighted" videos I uploaded in the past, I think it is pretty unfair.
ReplyDeleteYes, because the copyright owner is losing money because his/her FREE video is being reuploaded to another channel. That perfectly makes sense. And making a video telling people to stop is going to make them stop.
ReplyDeleteI completed the training school and got 100% on the short quiz. But my strike is still not removed.
ReplyDeleteSo what does this mean for those that already got their accound suspended? T_T
ReplyDeleteOK I've had 2 copyright violations and am ready to start Copyright School in the hopes that YouTube will remove them. Can I start School now or do I wait until YouTube notifies me? I don't think the blog or the Copyright Help Center showed current violators where or when to start.
ReplyDeleteLey de sinde !! censura al interneet y ahora nos vienes a enseñar lo que teniamos que saber por defecto.
ReplyDeleteKathryn +1
ReplyDeleteHow about terminated accounts?
Thanks a lot YouTube for making it even more unbearable when some hater false DMCAs us. Instead the way you sh9ould have done this is require people to watch this cartoon if they are caught filing a false DMCA on other youtubers. For a while we your users who made you who you are, have been treated like crap by you. This just makes it worse. This is why other video sharing sites are picking up your loss of users. You wanna fix that? Stop using this guilty until proven innocent mantra on us all.
ReplyDeleteThis is as lame as the "Don't Copy That Floppy" campaign, and be as doomed to failure.
ReplyDelete"powerful tools for copyright owners" - Really? "Powerful"? Far from it. A *powerful* tool would be much stronger against fraudulent DMCA claims in the first place.
ReplyDeleteAs it is pretty much every sad troll can get your videos taken down by filing a false DMCA under a made-up name - youtube doesn't even do the most basic checks to see whether a "company" filing a DMCA even exists.
Granted: You then can file a counternotice, but that then involves your private information sent to a possible stalker.
How comes that people who have sent out a whole bunch of false DMCAs that *all* got countered and who have a long history of false flagging and otherwise harassing people before that apparently can do so without any repercussions? Why are their channels still up? Why is there no "three strikes" rule for DMCA abusers?
Is the reason, perhaps, that youtube once more just cares about it's own ass and wants to keep it's hands clean with minimum effort even though that means that - because of their lazyness - DMCA abusers seem to have almost free range?
PHOEEE!
I love it how YouTube Copyright School discourages users from even researching what the fair use exceptions are. Luckily there are many fair use tutorials already up there: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=fair%20use
ReplyDeleteThis is terrible. I was kinda wanting the Copyright laws would have gotten better (By decreasing) but instead, its completely the other way.
ReplyDeleteNo, I do not blame the people who infringe, I sort of blame the ones who just cant control themselves and then make a bunch of demand laws added to this Copyright I think.
Copyright not only tries to limit creativity, but its more like dictatorship.
Oh please go to hell with all these, YT - or rather, whoever's behind it. The internet is a global medium, I refuse to be controlled by such measures until I'm discriminated against with "not available in your area" and all that tosh, just because I do not live in the holier-than-thou mighty USSA. >_<
ReplyDeleteIf this video was intended to provide end users with a basic understanding of what copyright is for and how it works then this video should be viewed as a failure. If the goal of this video was to start a meaningful conversation with end users about the do’s and don’ts of posting material on you tube YouTube then I think this also fails. If Google wants to be serious about clearly communicating with users about copyright issues, they should not trivialize the issues by portraying copyright holders as the not-so-bright character Lumpy and YouTube users as assumed pirates. In the end, respect for copyright and other intellectual property has everything to do with how people perceive these issues and understand them. That is why end users deserve a more serious attempt to improve the general level of understanding and respect for intellectual property.
ReplyDeleteRead my full breakdown at my blog at fiveby dot com slash blog.
"If Google wants to be serious about clearly communicating with users about copyright issues, they should..."
ReplyDelete... hmmm, I dunno - actually COMMUNICATE WITH US?
Would it be too much to ask, just to pick one of countless examples, when they take down a video because of "inappropriate content" to
- send you a notice about this
- in that notice tell you WHAT is supposed to be "inappropriate"
???
I mean: There's actually people here who would like their videos to stay online and who - if they knew what caused a video to get taken down - then could avoid making the same mistake again.
Kruge, I think you're right. The point I'm making, made more fully on my blog if you care to read it, is that the video is actually counterproductive and actually discourages respect for copyright which in turn makes expecting users to understand or comply with what they are required to do that much harder.
ReplyDeleteIt does sound like the tools and specific communications should be better.
This is great! I had a strike on my account from a year ago when I started my channel, and haven't used copyrighted material since. I did the copyright school, when will my strike me removed?
ReplyDeleteI agree with you, Alex. :) I just wanted to add my own two cents about it.
ReplyDeleteIt's one of my main problems (if not THE main problem) with youtube that they seem to put a lot of work into telling you nothing.
If you could add a link to the ending of the terst that allows us to request a removal of a strike, that would be helpful, i completed the test, and have a strike on my account from 2007 before any of us really understood copyright laws and how they applied to the web.
ReplyDeleteThis is so stupid.
ReplyDeleteDoes YouTube really think that this will reduce the amount of copyright infringement on their site?
And although YouTube thinks that this will educate people about copyright, what it really does is show how little the owners of YouTube know about copyright.
In the video, it says that "copyright is a form of protection for creative works". This is, in fact, a complete, upside-down misunderstanding of copyright law.
Copyright law is not supposed to "protect" content. That's not it's purpose. What copyright law is supposed to do is promote art and science by giving copyright owners limited rights to their creations for a limited period of time.
To describe copyright law as "protection" is wrong. Copyright infringement does not, in any case, "harm" content.
Here is a very good article that explains the true purpose of copyright law:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/misinterpreting-copyright.html
I believe somebody pretended to be the American Broadcasting Corporation to make a DMCA claim on my video. I'd love to be sued by them, anywhere, anytime. However I've since deleted the video where I quoted what their programme and I only now have the video ID, how do I get rid of this fictitious DMCA claim when I no longer have the video?
ReplyDeleteI know the blog said this would start immediately, but it seems it hasn't started yet. Any news on whether this will still begin to happen sometime or has it been shelved?
ReplyDeleteI am inspired by your work and obviously this blog is perfect. logo design .
ReplyDeleteI used YOUTUBES own video editor again today, for the second time, because I wanted to give it a second chance. They claim the Legitimacy of their tool, but as soon as you use it's features, YouTube accuses the user of possible copyright infringement. And All I did was use their tool. I think YOUTUBE needs to go back and restudy copyright law, that it claims to know so much of, and stop lying to it's user's about the validity of it editor. YOUTUBE is lying to it's users, and I would be more than joyous to watch them get overwhelmed with a lawsuit, if it meant the firing of it's current developers to bring in individuals who are apt in their field. Stop telling the users about copyright laws, and then set them up for possible violations through your editor! I am so fed up! Copyright school- don't make me laugh. Have you people hired the muppets as lawyers? Stop lying to your users, and have some sense of self decency about that editor. I would more than love to debate any staff of YOUTUBE on this subject... before telling other to go to copyright school, go their first yourselves, maybe you'll learn something- then again, with the muppets running your act, who knows what you'd walk away with. This is the second time one of my videos has been labeled. YOUTUBE is not the only medium one can use to bring your hypocrisy to light!!! And get lost with those stupid posts below as YOUTUBE will still continue to lie and railroad their users into areas of the law they don't wan't to be. For the 1st time I am actively considering using a competitor.
ReplyDeleteOf course, the bringing to light of youtube's lies regarding it's editor has to be "approved". Save yourself the time because we don't want to start playing that game, do we?
ReplyDeletehow to remove copyright strikes i upload video but not monetized
ReplyDeleteI'm about to upload a video on youtube i uploaded on facebook but it said it has copyrighted stuff i mean i got the song from this website called download.nl and i made the animated picture myself from blingee how in the world is that darn copyrighted ?????i don't want to attend a school thats unfair even though i haven't uploaded it yet i see tons of other people doing that and recording the song tell me if i should or not or i might just upload it on my blog.
ReplyDeleteAfter examine a couple of of the weblog posts in your web site now, and I actually like your way of blogging. I bookmarked it to my bookmark web site checklist and will be checking again soon. Pls check out my website as effectively and let me know what you think.Dich vu SEO
ReplyDeleteYour house is valueble for me. Thanks!…
anyone have a creativity make a video to "SCHOOL AGAIN THE YOUTUBE"? or "YOUTUBE GOING TO SCHOOL AGAIN". youtube need a preschool again.. right now i hate youtube.. i'll go with the competitor.. i think the youtube team good crazy or not enough staff to filter the video?
ReplyDeletewhy must
1st warning -> sanction?
why not
1st warning -> just a notice (come with list of 'copyright warning'.
2nd warning -> warning (with red bg)
3rd warning -> the sanction
ok the easier question.
can i re-upload the Copyright School video in my channel? or in other account?
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